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And then hard rock feeds you even had this phenomenon of the "neo-diner," so around Times Square for example, there are a few of these classic 50's-style diners which are actually brand new, and you walk hard rock feeds in and everything is faux 50's, everything is chrome, the waitresses are dressed in mini skirts and it's clearly understood to be a classicist revival of the "idea" hard rock feeds of a diner. L: That's a phenomenon that I've noticed since the mid-80's, would that be the indicator of when the Window of Ugliness for diners closed? K: I think it really closed in the mid-70's, when the Window of Ugliness for all sorts of things from the 50's closed. I can remember as a small child in the mid-60's, sitting in the back of my parents' car and seeing cars from the mid-1950's, ten year-old cars driving by and thinking that their huge tailfins were the most hideous thing I had ever seen in my young life.
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