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So there we were, in these tight, dark clothes, and this lasted for online art several years, some might say twenty years later I'm still wearing that type of thing... L: Well they're not quite as tight anymore. K: No, not quite as tight. So there we were until around 1984, when it started changing. We were at this one punk gig, and online art I was surveying this scene of people all dressed in online art this punk way with my friend Ralph Allen, and an acquaintance of ours, Curtis Austin walked up dressed for all the world like one of the Beatles from 1965. In other words, he was starting to move out of that 50's and very early 60's style (or a version of it, a post-modern adaptation of it) and he was starting to move into a style that was more influenced by and indicative of the mid-1960's, a little more colorful, a little looser. And he was wearing this scarf and I remember that Ralph looked at it - and I had never even heard the word "paisley" in my life, but I recognized the pattern from my childhood as something associated with hippies, and therefore ugly - and Ralph said "wow, cool paisley!"
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