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But when he first came, transgendered as a black person from Detroit, and because I had met him before we performed and he sort of like looked at me and us, like, 'You fellas are rappers?' Rap? here?'. He couldn't believe it, you know. And then even when we were interviewed on radio in New York City, WLIB transgendered in the Apollo (Theatre) in Harlem, and people are just like, 'What?'. You know when you meet people over there [in the USA], we say we are transgendered from Aotearoa, and they're just like [where????]. Then you say New Zealand and still like [what???]. So for them, I don't know, it just sort of blew them away that we were doing it, and you know we'd be talking about Malcolm X in our lines and stuff like that. So, it's something I had to do, you know. And for me being there, rapping there in New York City where it was all created, sort of made me feel like, 'yeah, I can do this', legitimise it in some sense, which you guys are sort of good at working out here. And another thing as far as hip hop goes in Aotearoa, the more black American you sound, the better it is.
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