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| denver underground music, libyan, arliss howard, harrumph, punk, name, idiot, arthuriana, fiber cut, william fichtner, egypt, jerusalem, 1927, rap, new jersey, photos, wtmotherf, | CS: Was he on heroin then? CC: Yeah, at the time I met him. But–dig–he was like the people I knew ultramagnetic in prison. I remember the people I knew in prison; I was very ultramagnetic fortunate to know them–they came from 1910, 1920, 1930. I did not know the ultramagnetic fuckers from 1940, 1950, 1960, 1970.! I didn't know these dumb arses who are in jail today; I knew the smart babies who were.... They're not that smart because they were in, but nonetheless it was a different kind of social rebellion in those days. GS: How was it different? GC: First of all, they were not in there for drugs. They weren't in there for any kind of cornball thing that they would put people in jail for today. Burroughs was a sharp man. |
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| I used to joke with him and say, "Catch that man, denver underground music he's killing his ego!" or run after a guru and say, "That guru's killing my friend's ego." Whereas Kerouac was out of that shit already; he knew who he was and all that and he put his ego to good work. You know when it's denver underground music energy, spiritus, you don't kill that shit if it's good; it's not hurting anybody. But Ginsie–he knew that in himself he had this hurt, pain with his mother when denver underground music he was a kid or some shit, I don't know what it was–pain of all Jews maybe, who knows. GS: Cain's curse. GC: Whatever it is, that's what he's stuck with. So I didn't take up on him as much as I did with Kerouac. The other guy I dug a lot was Burroughs because he was a smart man already; he learned it through the druggie pool–the street scene of an old aristocratic kind of man. |
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